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	<title>Comments on: darkmatter Journal versus Wikipedia: race and the hierarchy of knowledge</title>
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		<title>By: i heart digital life &#187; Links vom 26. Juli bis zum 9. August 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>i heart digital life &#187; Links vom 26. Juli bis zum 9. August 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] darkmatter Journal versus Wikipedia: race and the hierarchy of knowledge &#124; darkmatter Journal Spannende Auseinandersetzung über die qualität von Quellen auf Wikipedia (tags: race wikipedia journals) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: meta.©opy®iot.com &#124; links for 2009-07-30</title>
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		<dc:creator>meta.©opy®iot.com &#124; links for 2009-07-30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Noah Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if I am reading too much into this article, but it seems like the editor you were talking to on the talk page is being framed as more authoritative than yourself. By adding the original citations, you are also a Wikipedia editor. I&#039;m glad you got things sorted out, but there is no reason to assume that the other person in this discussion was in any way representing some official position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if I am reading too much into this article, but it seems like the editor you were talking to on the talk page is being framed as more authoritative than yourself. By adding the original citations, you are also a Wikipedia editor. I&#8217;m glad you got things sorted out, but there is no reason to assume that the other person in this discussion was in any way representing some official position.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  Though my brother has written four books on Hollywood history and compiled a list of 29,000 database entries of addresses related to Hollywood history, the goofs at Wikipedia - in a very pushy and high handed manner - deleted the addition of our site to the page on Hollywood because...we did it ourselves.  Back and forth about our qualifications and the reference nature of the material to no avail.  Wikipedia is a great resource.  I don&#039;t know why they&#039;re so pushy in these instances.  Defeats the purpose. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  Though my brother has written four books on Hollywood history and compiled a list of 29,000 database entries of addresses related to Hollywood history, the goofs at Wikipedia &#8211; in a very pushy and high handed manner &#8211; deleted the addition of our site to the page on Hollywood because&#8230;we did it ourselves.  Back and forth about our qualifications and the reference nature of the material to no avail.  Wikipedia is a great resource.  I don&#8217;t know why they&#8217;re so pushy in these instances.  Defeats the purpose. </p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a project as apparently democratic as Wikipedia may nevertheless reproduce dominant structures of knowledge and power.&quot;

Absolutely it does.  But this is perhaps inevitable. The insistence on &quot;reliable sources,&quot; usually defined in very traditional ways, is the bulwark of the encyclopedia&#039;s claim to &quot;verifiability.&quot; In this sense (and with its other mantra, &quot;no original research&quot;), there&#039;s no doubt that Wikipedia is in itself very conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a project as apparently democratic as Wikipedia may nevertheless reproduce dominant structures of knowledge and power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely it does.  But this is perhaps inevitable. The insistence on &#8220;reliable sources,&#8221; usually defined in very traditional ways, is the bulwark of the encyclopedia&#8217;s claim to &#8220;verifiability.&#8221; In this sense (and with its other mantra, &#8220;no original research&#8221;), there&#8217;s no doubt that Wikipedia is in itself very conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: maxfarrar</title>
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		<dc:creator>maxfarrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating.  Thanks for sharing that skirmish with us.  You argue our case well, and I&#039;m impressed that Wiki is flexible enough to back down.  But as you say, darkmatter is attempting to upset the existing hierarchies of knowledge.  I&#039;m not certain that Wiki is, though - if it is, its fetishisation of &#039;reliability of sources&#039; is overblown.  The irony for us, though, is that you seem to be forced onto the same terrain: &quot;we are reliable, because lots of us work in universities&quot;.  

I am currently helping to assemble a web-site on my political alma mater, Big Flame, and what I like best about this is re-reading materials we produced back in the day (when you dm boffins were mere yout).  The writers were, mainly, people who had deliberately rejected universities and their narrow conceptions of what constituted knowledge, and its purposes.  Wiki would certainly reject this web-site as a &#039;reliable source&#039;, yet the intellectual quality seems to me higher than most of what appears in &#039;reliable&#039; academic journals.  Have a glance at this and see if you see what I mean. &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigflameuk.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bigflameuk.wordpress.com/&lt;/a&gt;  Thus I think we should urge Wiki to judge intellectual quality not so much on its source, but its content.  And then we argue over what constitutes quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating.  Thanks for sharing that skirmish with us.  You argue our case well, and I&#8217;m impressed that Wiki is flexible enough to back down.  But as you say, darkmatter is attempting to upset the existing hierarchies of knowledge.  I&#8217;m not certain that Wiki is, though - if it is, its fetishisation of &#8216;reliability of sources&#8217; is overblown.  The irony for us, though, is that you seem to be forced onto the same terrain: &#8220;we are reliable, because lots of us work in universities&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I am currently helping to assemble a web-site on my political alma mater, Big Flame, and what I like best about this is re-reading materials we produced back in the day (when you dm boffins were mere yout).  The writers were, mainly, people who had deliberately rejected universities and their narrow conceptions of what constituted knowledge, and its purposes.  Wiki would certainly reject this web-site as a &#8216;reliable source&#8217;, yet the intellectual quality seems to me higher than most of what appears in &#8216;reliable&#8217; academic journals.  Have a glance at this and see if you see what I mean. <a href="http://bigflameuk.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bigflameuk.wordpress.com/</a>  Thus I think we should urge Wiki to judge intellectual quality not so much on its source, but its content.  And then we argue over what constitutes quality.</p>
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