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		<title>By: Sonia Hope</title>
		<link>http://www.darkmatter101.org/site/2008/02/23/racists-like-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3053</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonia Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

Thank you for your reply.
Really, an apology is not necessary because I was drawing attention to the feelings I experienced when reading the article. I didn&#039;t find the use of racist language personally offensive.

I do think that using this language continues to afford it power over those it seeks to oppress. Reclaiming it is problematic and not always sucessful: think of the word &#039;nigger&#039;, for example. I can only think of one instance when oppressive language has been reclaimed, and it is the word &#039;queer&#039;. And even this is dependent on geographical and cultural context. 

Talking of context, I&#039;m now more aware from your reply that the language you used makes sense in your geographical and social context; it is alienating for me because I am black, British and living in London, UK. The only people who use the &#039;wog&#039; here are far-right political activists and their sympathisers. I was born and grew up here, and know how important survival strategies to combat racism are - we don&#039;t always choose the ones that are most helpful to us; also, it can take time to grow into one&#039;s identity (I know this from personal experience).

Discussing racism openly and honestly will always cause discord and/or conflict. I know this from everyday life, and also from my research into the British feminist movement of the 1970s and 1980s; white feminists accused black feminists of causing division in the women&#039;s liberation movement because they sought to challenge white feminists&#039; claim to speak for all women. The disagreements were painful and difficult, but part of the dialogue, and perhaps the only way to make progress.

I&#039;d like to make it clear that I am not advocating or claiming a &#039;superior&#039; place in an imaginary hierarchy of oppression. This kind of thinking is unhelpful for everyone. However, I know that the battle is still on for me, and others like me to claim our humanity. It is still in doubt. Sylvia Wynter&#039;s writing on humanism provides some lucid theorising on this subject (see Wynter, Sylvia
Unsettling the Coloniality of Being/Power/Truth/Freedom: Towards the Human, After Man, Its Overrepresentation--An Argument
CR: The New Centennial Review - Volume 3, Number 3, Fall 2003, pp. 257-337)

I think it&#039;s perfectly &#039;possible to imagine relationships unmediated by the violence of race&#039;. I think it&#039;s possible to have relationships in which the issues of race are understood, and dealt with. I have to believe this, otherwise I wouldn&#039;t bother getting up every day!


Best wishes,

Sonia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply.<br />
Really, an apology is not necessary because I was drawing attention to the feelings I experienced when reading the article. I didn&#8217;t find the use of racist language personally offensive.</p>
<p>I do think that using this language continues to afford it power over those it seeks to oppress. Reclaiming it is problematic and not always sucessful: think of the word &#8216;nigger&#8217;, for example. I can only think of one instance when oppressive language has been reclaimed, and it is the word &#8216;queer&#8217;. And even this is dependent on geographical and cultural context. </p>
<p>Talking of context, I&#8217;m now more aware from your reply that the language you used makes sense in your geographical and social context; it is alienating for me because I am black, British and living in London, UK. The only people who use the &#8216;wog&#8217; here are far-right political activists and their sympathisers. I was born and grew up here, and know how important survival strategies to combat racism are &#8211; we don&#8217;t always choose the ones that are most helpful to us; also, it can take time to grow into one&#8217;s identity (I know this from personal experience).</p>
<p>Discussing racism openly and honestly will always cause discord and/or conflict. I know this from everyday life, and also from my research into the British feminist movement of the 1970s and 1980s; white feminists accused black feminists of causing division in the women&#8217;s liberation movement because they sought to challenge white feminists&#8217; claim to speak for all women. The disagreements were painful and difficult, but part of the dialogue, and perhaps the only way to make progress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to make it clear that I am not advocating or claiming a &#8217;superior&#8217; place in an imaginary hierarchy of oppression. This kind of thinking is unhelpful for everyone. However, I know that the battle is still on for me, and others like me to claim our humanity. It is still in doubt. Sylvia Wynter&#8217;s writing on humanism provides some lucid theorising on this subject (see Wynter, Sylvia<br />
Unsettling the Coloniality of Being/Power/Truth/Freedom: Towards the Human, After Man, Its Overrepresentation&#8211;An Argument<br />
CR: The New Centennial Review &#8211; Volume 3, Number 3, Fall 2003, pp. 257-337)</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s perfectly &#8216;possible to imagine relationships unmediated by the violence of race&#8217;. I think it&#8217;s possible to have relationships in which the issues of race are understood, and dealt with. I have to believe this, otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t bother getting up every day!</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Sonia</p>
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		<title>By: James Arvanitakis</title>
		<link>http://www.darkmatter101.org/site/2008/02/23/racists-like-us/comment-page-1/#comment-2857</link>
		<dc:creator>James Arvanitakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sonia

Thanks for the response to the article... I appreciate you taking the time to do it

I am sincerely sorry if the language used in the article is alienating... It was not meant to do that - just the opposite...

It is difficult to respond to your criticism...

The article is an attempt to confront how someone of non-white background emerges through childhood years with these thoughts that I deny but instinctively retreat to without any realisation. As I was growing up I was beaten and spat on and consistently called a &#039;wog&#039;... A term that many have attempted to reclaim... This combined with the way whiteness comes to dominate Australian society led to a denial of my ethnicity...

Even worse, I see people claim a hierarchy of hurt in their dealings with whiteness... Some denying that what other&#039;s experience is worthy of acknowledging... 

It is something that I have discussed with many - of all skin tones - including my black co-author...

The article attempts to confront all these things... and I make no apology for that...

I hope that clears up my position... Like I said... Sorry to alienate you

Cheers, james</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sonia</p>
<p>Thanks for the response to the article&#8230; I appreciate you taking the time to do it</p>
<p>I am sincerely sorry if the language used in the article is alienating&#8230; It was not meant to do that &#8211; just the opposite&#8230;</p>
<p>It is difficult to respond to your criticism&#8230;</p>
<p>The article is an attempt to confront how someone of non-white background emerges through childhood years with these thoughts that I deny but instinctively retreat to without any realisation. As I was growing up I was beaten and spat on and consistently called a &#8216;wog&#8217;&#8230; A term that many have attempted to reclaim&#8230; This combined with the way whiteness comes to dominate Australian society led to a denial of my ethnicity&#8230;</p>
<p>Even worse, I see people claim a hierarchy of hurt in their dealings with whiteness&#8230; Some denying that what other&#8217;s experience is worthy of acknowledging&#8230; </p>
<p>It is something that I have discussed with many &#8211; of all skin tones &#8211; including my black co-author&#8230;</p>
<p>The article attempts to confront all these things&#8230; and I make no apology for that&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope that clears up my position&#8230; Like I said&#8230; Sorry to alienate you</p>
<p>Cheers, james</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Hope</title>
		<link>http://www.darkmatter101.org/site/2008/02/23/racists-like-us/comment-page-1/#comment-2849</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonia Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested to know why James Arvanitakis thinks that it is acceptable to re-use the language of racists to make apparently anti-racist points.  I am black British and female, and I find this continuous ‘Othering’ quite alienating. 

Have you ever engaged a black person in dialogue about these issues? It may be more fruitful than discussing them with someone else who has a similar fear of blackness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested to know why James Arvanitakis thinks that it is acceptable to re-use the language of racists to make apparently anti-racist points.  I am black British and female, and I find this continuous ‘Othering’ quite alienating. </p>
<p>Have you ever engaged a black person in dialogue about these issues? It may be more fruitful than discussing them with someone else who has a similar fear of blackness.</p>
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